Search Engine Submission

plumeria · Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 29

Hi, everybody!

I'm ready to finally submit my first website to the search engines. Am I correct that this submission to major search engines has to be done every month?
Or do you do it more often?

How many different "Search Engine PPC's" do you recommend at the beginning, like Yahoo, Google, Miva.

Thank you for your response!

Robert Walsh

Griff Grumbein · Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:47 am Post subject:

Hi Robert!

You do not have to submit to the search engines every month, 1 time will generally do it.

That said, you should ensure that you have a site map and properly set up robots.txt file for the spiders to find and follow when you submit to those engines. That way they will index your site and it's pages faster and will return. Regular additions of quality content will help keep them coming back frequently.

Those you have listed are quite recommended, as are: MSN, Dogpiile, Jayde and more. You should also consider press-releases and other methods of promoting your site as this also attracts bot attention.

Keep us posted on how it goes for you! Smile

plumeria · Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 29

Hi Griff!

Thank you so much for your response. I'm planning of publishing articles and press releases at the same time as I submit to the search engines.

One more question: Do you recommend to submit manually (myself) to the search engines, or can you recommend any of the services online?

Thank you for your help and support!

Robert Walsh Smile

Griff Grumbein · Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject:

I (personally) submit mine manually as it is a very simple procedure. Many of the services that do it for you will charge you to submit to the major SE's and free to the lesser ones. You can submit to the major ones yourself for free, and it only takes a minute or two each.

plumeria · Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 29

Hi Griff,

Thank you very much for your help and support.
I'll keep you posted.

Robert Walsh

plumeria · Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 29

Dear Griff!

I'm somewhat confused about robot.txt.files. Some people say that you don't need them anymore and that they prevent spiders from indexing your site.
Would you be so kind to explain in "robot.txt.files for dummies" how you would set up one.
Someone suggested to me just to name a page "robot.txt.files" and leave it blank.
After listening to so many different opinions I decided to follow your recommendations.

Thank you very much for all your time and help!

Robert Walsh

Griff Grumbein · Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:06 am Post subject: **Re: Search Engine Submission**

plumeria · Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 29

Hi Griff,

Thank you very much for your help in this matter!

Robert Walsh

Griff Grumbein · Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:56 am Post subject:

My pleasure, any time!

plumeria · Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 29

Hi Griff and everybody,

My website was submitted to the search engines. I use 1and1 as a webhost utilizing their "SEO submission tools". When I ran the keywords report the first time I was told that crawlers look for the top 10-15 keywords and therefore I added more of the top-keywords to all the pages as advised. Each keyword now appears 6 to 10 times throughout the site. My keyword score dropped; I called 1and1 and was told to lower the number of times each top keyword appears on my site. Since my site deals with kidswear, this word alone will obviously appear many, many, many times throughout my site.
In the last two "keyword spider results" the word "kidswear" came up four times and five times respectively out of the 15 keywords highlighted. On one occasion the Google search number remained the same. On the second occasion the number went from 966,000 to 0. Can anybody explain this drop on the same URL: www......com/8.html?

How often do you recommend a top keyword should appear over your website? I was told that the URL www......com/11.html refers to page number "eleven" of my site. My site has only 10 pages.

Help me to understand , if on the "Keywords spider result", the number "0" under Google Results is something I want to have? I was told that the "0" means that for this specific page on my site NO OTHER website matches the content in relationship to this keyword. Is this information correct and do we also want a "0" for our "Keyword analysis". I am using keywords that I checked with Goggle in a range from 1,700 to 24,000 matches in Google search.

Thank you so much for your advise!

Robert Walsh

Griff Grumbein · Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject:

Hi Robert,

I was unable to follow the links in your post, so I couldn't see what you are describing.

The statistics you cite: Are they being generated from the 1and1 tool? If so, could you post a screen shot(s) of what you are describing as I am not familiar with, and don't have the 1and1 SEO submission tool.

Generally speaking, my most recent understanding of average keyword frequency per page for optimal SEO is 3 to 5 headered/bold combined, but no additional info on just plain text. It is my understanding (and hopefully an SEO expert will chime in), that keywords appearing too frequently may be considered "keyword stuffing" (spam site) by many SE's.

I don't have any statistics to support that however, I have been experimenting with this theory on one of my test sites, but don't have conclusive evidence yet. Once I have compiled some results of my tests, I'll pass them on.

Sorry to not be much help this time. Sad

~(G)Q

plumeria · Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 29

Hi Griff,
The first part is the "Keyword Analysis"

Keyword Utilization on HTML Body

The keyword utilization part of the Keyword Analysis tool visits your webpage and counts the number of times the keywords found in your meta tags are matched on your site. These matches include keywords contained within other words.

We will only search for the first 15 keywords in your meta tags. Keywords beyond the first 10 are unlikely to affect your listings at all. Therefore, the first 10 should be your most important.

The result column will let you know how well your site is using your keywords. Here's how to interpret the results:

This keyword was used more than 3 times in your site's HTML body. This is highly recommended for best ranking results.

This keyword was used three or less keyword times in your site's HTML body. Few matches may result in lower search engine ranking. Considering adding more instances of this keyword to your page.

Keyword Matches Density Google Matches Result
designer kidswear at half-off prices 1 66.67 457
help-pay-for-college 0 0.00 0
Free-College-Money Funds 0 0.00 0
half-off 1 22.22 0
kidswear 1 11.11 967,000
top-quality 1 22.22 0
half-off prices 1 33.33 0
best-prices kidswear 0 0.00 3,070
top-quality kidswear 0 0.00 20,600
Bargain Kidswear Newsletter 0 0.00 0
half-off kidsclothing 0 0.00 0
huge savings kidswear 0 0.00 16,300
Keyword Usage Score: 30 Max score is 100. Increase your score by using your keywords more often in the text of your page and using less competitive keywords.

What Does Your Site Look Like to a Search Engine?

This portion of the Keyword Analysis shows how your site looks to a search engine spider or robot. Note that it is reduced to the bare text and basic content.

Not what you expected? Remember that search engine spiders cannot read the content of images or flash movies, and they don't care about layout or colors, unless you are trying to hide text.

The keywords in your keywords meta tag (from the Keyword Utilization report above) are bolded so you can more easily see them.

Your Site's Content
text/html; charset=UTF-8 1&1 WebsiteBuilder designer kidswear at half-off prices,help-pay-for-college,Free-College-Money Funds,half-off,kidswear,top-quality,half-off prices,best-prices kidswear,top-quality kidswear,Bargain kidswear Newsletter,half-off kidsclothing,huge savings kidswear, designer kidswear at half-off prices HUGE SAVINGS on wide-variety popular-styles kidswear Bargain kidswear Newsletter Best prices for top-quality kidswear help-pay-for-college Free-College-Money Funds top-quality designer kidswear at half-off prices <flash> <flash> <link> Skip </link>

Second part is called "Keyword Spider Analysis"

The Keyword Spider tool processed 12 page(s) on your site. The top 15 keywords are displayed below along with the number of matches that were found on Google.

1&1 recommends that you focus on the relevent keywords the Keyword Spider returns. However, if the number of Google results for that keyword are high, your chances of getting a top placement under that keyword would be very low. To increase your chances of being placed under these keywords, it's recommended that you add URLs returned by this tool to your account. This will help to get your top rated pages listed more quickly in search engines.

Keyword Spider Results:

Add URL Keyword # Google Results
http://robertwalshkidsclothing.com/8.html half off 22,400,000
http://robertwalshkidsclothing.com/11.html kidswear 0
http://robertwalshkidsclothing.com/8.html teen wear 0
http://robertwalshkidsclothing.com/8.html wear half off 0
http://robertwalshkidsclothing.com/2.html kidswear 0
http://robertwalshkidsclothing.com/8.html teen 0
http://robertwalshkidsclothing.com/2.html half off 33,400,000
http://robertwalshkidsclothing.com/5.html kidswear 967,000
http://robertwalshkidsclothing.com/7.html half off 19,700,000
http://robertwalshkidsclothing.com/10.html half off 0
http://robertwalshkidsclothing.com/8.html teen wear half 0
http://robertwalshkidsclothing.com/8.html wear 0
http://robertwalshkidsclothing.com/8.html kidswear 0
http://robertwalshkidsclothing.com/8.html wear half 0
http://robertwalshkidsclothing.com/5.html child 0

"Keyword Spider Analysis" numbers change every few hours.

Thank's so much for all your help!

Robert Walsh

plumeria · Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 29

Hi Griff,

I published and submitted my site. It still has to be indexed by the search engines. Is it ok and save to post the URL so you might take a look at my site? It might help to better understand my previous post about "Keywords Analysis" and "Keywords Spider Analysis.

These are my next moves. Do you agree with them?
1. Submit a press release today.
2. Submit URL to as many directories as possible.
3. Submit articles through a distribution center, and "Buzz", "Ezine" and two other ones by hand.

I could submit a second press release to ideamarketers. Is it enough to submit the press release through "free press release" or is it better to use several sources for the same press release?

I can't thank you enough for all your help!

Robert Walsh [/url]

Griff Grumbein · Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:11 am Post subject:

Hello Robert!

You are certainly always welcome!

I'm going to answer your 2nd post first:

Yes, it is safe to post your url! Since you have "published and submitted" it to the search engines, your site is available to the world for it's viewing pleaseure. Just because it isn't indexed by the the SE's doesn't mean the world at large can't access it.

Yes, absolutely proceed with your next moves, don't wait for the SE's, they'll come! If your site is published, get the word out everywhere any way you can (short of sp@m, of course, LOL)! Anywhere you can get your url published/posted will enhance your SE indexing too, so give the SE's more of you to find!

Please forgive me if I don't get a chance to delve deeper into your post just prior to your last right away. I have taken on a little more at once than I should have, and am afraid I have spread myself a little thin. I have some JV's I need to finalize over the next couple days, and a coaching to finish over the next week. I am also embarking on a new JV that will be taking up the majority of my time for a while. I should have some time this weekend in which I can look at the data you've provided and try to give you some feedback.

I'm still not sure what program this information is being generated by: Is it the 1and1 tool you mentioned previously, or something else?

Another reason I ask this question is that there are many people out there saying that metakeywords don't mean anything to SE's any more. Personally, I disagree and the answer to this question would lend credence to the fact that they are still important (if this is a legitimately recognized tool), and support my case in a particular friendly discussion I am involved in.

Thanks in advance for your patience!

GO PROMOTE THAT SITE!

Best wishes for your prosperity!

jpatriar · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 32 Location: Watertown, MA

From my recent understanding there's no need to submit to search engines anymore, but you do still need to submit to directories.

Signup for Google Webmaster Tools and as mentioned submit a sitemap. For Yahoo search for Yahoo Site Explorer.

I was using the free online sitemap generators until someone in a forum had suggested using GSiteCrawler to generate sitemaps. I downloaded it and although it seems a little difficult to use (compared to the online sitemap generators) I've been using it without any problems.