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MindReality
Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 8
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: Dan's home business book is trash! |
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http://www.netprofitstoday.com/_npc/crying-in-his-beer.html
With a site like that, how can he be qualified at all to sell an ebook on "home business"?
It's because of people like him that cause others to waste time and money on such junk on the internet.
He is cheating value in the world. The idea about how many stupid people would buy that book just disgust me.
Even if that book is ghost written by someone, he is still totally unqualified to sell that book.
And the person who ghostwrite for him is doing the wrong thing.
And if it is Dan himself who wrote that book, the sales that he makes from it is causing death to the world's economy.
I completely have no respect for such attrocities in the world. |
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Rosalind Gardner Site Admin
Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: Beautiful BC, Canada
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Whoa!
The introduction to this topic requests that beefs be voiced politely. I'm afraid that your post 'MindReality' hardly qualifies.
First of all, have you read Dan's book?
I have and I thought it was very good.
Do you honestly think I would have profiled his site, or gone to the trouble of doing a site review for him, had I considered his work trash?
Hardly!
His site design and content is actually very good and the errors I pointed out are rather the 'norm' than the exception.
Mistakes are bound to be made, and there weren't really that many... nothing that can't be fixed in short order, anyway.
To judge someone's work as 'causing death to the world's economy' is hardly a 'reality'... is it Mr. MindReality?
You may want to check the definition of 'atrocity' as well.
BTW, I checked your blog and see that the top post is titled "I am in the process of moving my blog to a more proffesional platform"...
You might like to check a dictionary, 'cause that doesn't look too "proffesional" to me.
Speaking of which, would you like a site review?
Cheers,
Ros |
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MindReality
Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 8
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:10 am Post subject: |
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Thank you for telling me about the spelling error.
I have corrected it. Spelling mistakes like these do tend to occur with certain words.
What I found bad about Dan’s site which you were talking about, was the text breaking, misalignment problem and the link errors.
Now those two are very bad since they are on the sales page. The broken, misaligned text is a descriptive order link!
Now since Dan is selling a home business book, it is more crucial that he does not have such errors at all. If he was selling a book on how to play golf or lose weight, then it would be quite acceptable not to expect him to be tip top in his internet marketing presentation.
I just find that people's presentation of their work reflects their work.
A person dealing in law reveals his standard by what he talks about law.
A person dealing in art reveals his standard by what he creates.
A person dealing in marketing reveals his standard by his marketing presentation.
Now we all know that most home business information has got something to do with internet marketing as well. But if you tell me that his book is about other forms of home business and not internet marketing (which was not explicitly implied), then I will find it understandable that those mistakes on his site are ok. |
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spotmea30
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 28 Location: Tampa, FL
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:27 am Post subject: Whoa MR |
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Okay...note to self... do NOT have Mind Reality review my site. Seriously MR, I have been in the web biz for more than 10 years...and have 12 Producers and three writers who report to me for a multi-billion dollar online retailer.
This is hardly any way to critique someone's site. Frankly, it could hardly be called a critique at all--but, instead, a personal attack. I have not read Dan's book, but isn't he trying to weave his own corner of the web like the rest of us? Seems like Ros has set up a supportive and constructive environment here. This post's title seemed so out of place, I admit I couldn't resist clicking to read what was inside. Glad to see Ros' response. Just as aghast as I'm sure many more will be! |
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boysbach
Joined: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 195
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:53 am Post subject: |
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I think Dan's humour is something else and the original post by him was just what many of us needed on a bad day. His site you either like or dislike and many of these things are personal rather than right or wrong. But mind reality's critque was totally out of order. Even if the site was total trash (which it isn't) how about a positive to then help build the negatives. For an Asian you have certainly forgotten about saving face and all that entails.
Having looked at your site, well I was expecting perfection but what did I see. I am not going to do that much but I was totally aghast at the quality seeing you used a good package with xsitepro. I thought it was something someone had thrown together using a html editor and no idea what they were doing. The blog makes intersting reading. I am scratching my head here in unbelief, your ABOUT ME: A Supergenius who understands the nature of the mind and reality from a unified perspective.
Yet can't understand how to move your blog to Word Press. Sorry for the lack of posts. I am currently in the process of moving my blog to Wordpress.
It is the worst moment of my entire web workings experience so far.
It's true that it is a nightmare.
"There are simply an endless supply of problems I have to deal with to get wordpress configured right for the move over, but I just can’t continue to do with Blogger’s seriously handicapped functionality anymore."
Well what can I say, you can import your blogger into word press in less than 10 seconds. But then what would a superbrain like you know. I started a new blog yesterday and moved mine and the whole process took about 30 mins. Yes it was word press, and yes I had to set it all up, and yes I had to move all my stuff. But then what would a mere mensa person know compared to a supergenuis.
Try being normal and you might get some respect here but at the moment you are acting like a spoilt brat who thinks he is superior to everybody. Is the web big enough for you and the rest of the world? |
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MindReality
Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 8
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:03 am Post subject: |
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To boysbach:
I was simply voicing my personal frank opinion on what I thought about Dan's site through from the review in this section of the forum.
Rosalind's reply help me understand that it wasn't exactly what I thought it was. So that is why I explained why I had that impression on my second post.
Notice her reply to me and mine back to her were rather respectable?
But your comments about me are uncalled for, unreasonable, low class, foolish and rude. I regard people like you as belonging to some of the most mediocre minds in the world. |
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spotmea30
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 28 Location: Tampa, FL
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | But your comments about me are uncalled for, unreasonable, low class, foolish and rude. |
Mind Reality, I think you've just summed up your original post in this sentence. Moving on to a more productive string... |
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MindReality
Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 8
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| spotmea30 wrote: | | Mind Reality, I think you've just summed up your original post in this sentence. Moving on to a more productive string... |
You like to join in too? That shows you are just as immature as him. You are not being productive by acting like that.
I didn't mind being corrected by Rosalind because she did it in a respectable way. But the other two of you are not what I would consider having regard for.
If you are not happy with my opinions, that is your problem. Do not think you are being very righteous by flaming me. It is people like you that spoil the forums. |
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Will
Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 148 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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MindReality,
My personal opinion is that your 'critique' was harsh and overly negative. If you think that the website/product in question is poor then why not offer suggestions and turn this thread into something useful that everyone can benefit from.
Freedom of speech is one thing, but launching personal attacks on someone you don't know is out of line. Have you tried voicing your concerns to Dan directly before airing in public? It would be arrogant to assume certains things are fact without at least giving him a fair chance to address your concerns.
I'm not taking sides here, but this thread is destined to spiral unless we all make an effort to turn it around.
It's up to you...  |
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MindReality
Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 8
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Well yes my critique was harsh indeed.
This thread did not have to spiral downwards in the first place.
Rosalind's reply was good enough.
But there were some people who are.... nuff said. |
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boysbach
Joined: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 195
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Don't make an assumption about my gender because I am not male. Your comments were harsh and rude and many of mine were taken directly from your site, so I was quoting you.
The thread didn't need to be started the way you did it, there were ways of critque a site without being totally obnoxious about it and helping to put it right.
You can call me what you like, but I followed what you said. You like to be harsh about other people's site, so maybe you should be prepared to accept the same treatment given about your site.
EOS |
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MindReality
Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 8
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:55 am Post subject: |
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If you look at the reasons in my second post, you will notice that the way I made my comments were not the same way you made yours. I was not being harsh just for the sake of being harsh.
And btw none of your comments about my site have any acceptable basis to judge upon.
Firstly I am not selling my own home business or internet marketing course so my site does not have to be a peak example of such things. But it will get lots better.
Secondly, you have no @#$! idea whatsoever what I am talking about that I'm dealing with wordpress. Isn't it silly to think that my problem is just about importing my posts and comments over? NO! It's alot more than that which I wouldn't bother to tell you about. If you knew what I was talking about, you would not even say a thing about it.
You were making such comments about my site only because you were not very happy about what I said about Dan, because you were lightened up by his humor. It's childish. How old are you? |
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Zoikster
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 12 Location: Griffith, IN
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I hate to say it being a noob here, but I totally agree with MindReality. If you have a product you are trying to sell about marketing or something like that, or even about web design, personally I would find the person not credible if the site was not in tip top condition. Seems common sense to me. Not to mention the thread does say Got a Beef about a Program? He did exactly that ...he stated the problem he had with it...he bascially said shouldn't someone trying to sell a product about internet marketing being a professional in that field.... have a grip on all aspects of the biz...especially the web design. Anyway adios- I just think you guys missed the point..thats all. |
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Will
Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 148 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Zoikster wrote: | | I just think you guys missed the point..thats all. |
The point, if it's overlooked, is probably shadowed by the way it's presented. |
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Dan Reinhold
Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 115 Location: Massachusetts USA
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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Greetings Fellow NPT Forum Members!
I chose to wait until those what wanted to have a say were able to do so before replying to MindReality.
Firstly, you brazenly violated Ros' clearly stated policy for this category by posting a very obvious flame. Her policy states that all posts be made in a polite manner. You ignored her wishes and did as you pleased. That is grounds for immediate banishment from a forum. Why you were not banished is known only to Ros and is entirely her business.
| MindReality wrote: |
With a site like that, how can he be qualified at all to sell an ebook on "home business"? |
My site was professionally designed by a webmaster with a long and solid reputation. I wanted simple and that's what she gave to me.
My site is not an indicator of my qualifications to sell my book, especially in light of the fact that its subject is "home business" which does not require use of a website in all situations and circumstances.
In actuality, the site reviewed at greatest length by Ros is not an affiliate site, but rather a content site primarily. I promote my ebook and other products to my newsletter subscribers. My sales page site is the one dedicated to the book at this time.
What is the purpose and origin of YOUR site?
| MindReality wrote: |
It's because of people like him that cause others to waste time and money on such junk on the internet. |
Had you paid any attention whatsoever to my sites and the copy therein, you would know that my book was written to help others decide if home business was the choice for them. Furthermore, it is priced far, far below the costs that would be incurred by someone figuring it all out for themselves. Its purpose is to help people considering or starting a home business avoid such unnecessary expense and make a rational, well thought out decision about entering the home business world.
What is the subject of YOUR ebook?
| MindReality wrote: |
He is cheating value in the world. |
Such an ebook, by its very nature, cannot "cheat value in the world", but only enhance it. That could not be more obvious.
How have YOU enhanced value in the world?
| MindReality wrote: |
The idea about how many stupid people would buy that book just disgust me. |
None of the people who have purchased my ebook have complained about it. None have requested a refund, the availability of which is plainly and clearly stated in my sales letter. Not one, zip, zero, zilch.
All my current affiliates, Ros included, have had nothing but good, positive, enthusiastic reactions to it. As a matter of fact, Ros herself mentioned that she had read it and liked it and agreed to become an affiliate for it s a result.
Are these widely recognized and respected home business owners and true professional affiliates then stupid, including Ros?
| MindReality wrote: |
Even if that book is ghost written by someone, he is still totally unqualified to sell that book. |
I am happy and proud to say that every word of that book was written by me.
If someone had indeed ghostwritten it, it would have no bearing on my qualifications to sell it. Is expertise in a particular field or industry a qualification to sell any product of any affiliate program? Of course not. That's one of the points that Ros also makes on a continuing basis and a primary contributor to the rapidly growing popularity of affiliate marketing.
If your contention is that I am unqualified to write this book, the online world is not my only home business experience and I have made money conducting business online. Also, had you read the sales letter for the book, you would plainly see that it is a compilation of the experience, insights and advice of many part-time and full-time home business owners. Are they then unqualified to offer all that to my customers?
Are YOU qualified, personally, professionally or otherwise to sell/write YOUR ebook?
| MindReality wrote: | | And the person who ghostwrite for him is doing the wrong thing. |
Sorry, no ghostwriter.
| MindReality wrote: | | And if it is Dan himself who wrote that book, the sales that he makes from it is causing death to the world's economy. |
How in the world could the sales of my ebook possibly be "causing death to the world's economy"??? Do you realize that such a remark is completely inane, to say the very least??? Death is absolute. Should sales of my ebook cause death to the world's economy, we would be literally fighting for minute-to-minute survival in the midst of total chaos. It quite obviously by its very nature contributes life to the world by assisting others to make informed choices about their lives.
Does YOUR ebook contribute life to the world?
| MindReality wrote: | | I completely have no respect for such attrocities in the world. |
This is what my dearly departed grandmother would have called "a real humdinger."
How one can in any way compare a mere informational product to atrocities is beyond comprehension. Do you know what an atrocity is?
The Holocaust was an atrocity. The terrorist attacks targeting the World Trade Center in New York City and other locations was an atrocity. No book can in and of itself be an atrocity, although it may trigger one by its content. My ebook is totally incapable of triggering any such occurance.
Perhaps it would also be helpful to review Ros' reply to your initial post.
| Rosalind Gardner wrote: | Whoa!
The introduction to this topic requests that beefs be voiced politely. I'm afraid that your post 'MindReality' hardly qualifies. |
A "polite" and straightforward response to your words.
| Rosalind Gardner wrote: | First of all, have you read Dan's book?
I have and I thought it was very good.
Do you honestly think I would have profiled his site, or gone to the trouble of doing a site review for him, had I considered his work trash?
Hardly!
His site design and content is actually very good and the errors I pointed out are rather the 'norm' than the exception.
Mistakes are bound to be made, and there weren't really that many... nothing that can't be fixed in short order, anyway. |
All her words...
| Rosalind Gardner wrote: | To judge someone's work as 'causing death to the world's economy' is hardly a 'reality'... is it Mr. MindReality?
You may want to check the definition of 'atrocity' as well. |
Again, her words.
| Rosalind Gardner wrote: | BTW, I checked your blog and see that the top post is titled "I am in the process of moving my blog to a more proffesional platform"...
You might like to check a dictionary, 'cause that doesn't look too "proffesional" to me. |
Yet another reminder that those who live in glass houses should not throw stones...
| Rosalind Gardner wrote: | | Speaking of which, would you like a site review? |
And yet another. I also don't recall you accepting her generous offer of a site review.
Throughout the thread, you only express "respect" for Ros, even though you show none whatsoever to anyone else. Respect is owed to every living and breathing person simply because they are alive. You would do very well to live your life from this moment on by that simple philosophy.
I imagine you are no doubt aching to respond to this post, although you may not wish to do so after I say what I must say:
Thank you very much.
Your initial post, all activity it generated in this forum and every viewing of this thread has done and will continue to do wonders for my publicity. Your actions have increased my traffic and sales.
Unfortunately for you, it's also made you look very, very bad.
You're welcome to reply. Please be my guest!
I recall one poster agreeing with you because his/her perception was that a true "Internet marketing expert" would and should be a total whiz at everything, including site design. I openly admit that I am certainly no whiz at site design (except when creating affiliate sites with XSitePro). It should be noted, however, that many, many "Internet marketing experts" do not design or maintain their own websites. They chose to let those more proficient in such areas perform those tasks so that they may focus their energies on what they do best - marketing.[/url] |
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